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Transportation

We're about 3 hours from the El Paso International airport and about 4 hours from Albuquerque. Be sure to note areas for 

gas/food as they can be far apart in places. However, for a remote mountain experience we are rather accessible.

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The mountain roads may pose some challenges, so it's important to speak with leaders who plan on driving. Communicate navigation and timelines beforehand.

 

Upon registration we will be sending you resources specific to your time with us.

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Including:

-Tips for winter driving in our area

-Shuttle services in operation 

-Great public lands to camp on 

-Navigation at night on dirt roads

Resources

Based on your Group size, Program needs, and timeline, we will put together resources to support the best experience possible while your here.

 

This means we don't wait for you to reach out, we send the resources to you.

 

Expect email updates and a resource packet until a week before your visit, this is when we'd like to speak to you more in depth on the phone. This also does a good job of reminding you of requirements you'll need upon arrival.

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Including:

-BSA Health Forms 

-Any remaining account balance

-Names and payment for visitors

-Order of the Arrow Call out 

-Any class changes

Communication

We make our staff available before, during, and after your time at Wehinahpay because we value customer service.

 

We know you depend on us for information and assistance, and it is a joy for us to respond quickly and adequately. You are not an interruption to our work-day so please reach out if our resources don't give you the information you need.

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Including:

-Navigation questions

-Accessibility needs

-Program materials and details

-Health and Safety

-Staff qualifications

-Specific accommodations 

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wHILE YOU're HERE

Once you arrive our staff will be on hand to give you a tour of camp and help you settle in to your campsite. That way, you will be prepared for the rest of the week.

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You will have a print out of your week's schedule and attend a Leaders Meeting for the information you'll need to make the most of your week. All leaders, including SPLs, are welcome to join us.

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Throughout the week our Camp Commissioner and seasonal staff are known to check in often. Go to them for anything!

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Including:

-Scheduling changes

-Campsite or facility needs

-Suggestions for improvement

-Quality conversation

Environment 

Wehinahpay has temperatures ranging from 45 - 80 degrees in the summer and 10-40. Make sure that your troop packs accordingly. Even if you have a warm sleeping bag, it is not a bad idea to bring an extra blanket just in case. Be aware that while we have warm layers in our trading post, everyone will be much more comfortable having brought what they need.

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Weather up here in the high mountains can be unpredictable. Some days we will have a ton of rain (especially in July) and other days we will be fighting heavy gusts of wind. We have experienced hail and sleet during the summer in the past.

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Review the weather hazards bsa training or contact us for more pro-tips.

We sit somewhere around 8,500 feet above sea level and some of our hikes will take you well above that. 

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One of the main hazards with elevation gain is altitude sickness. Make sure that your Scouts drink plenty of water for the first couple days of camp to help counteract this. 

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Be aware- our campsites are all located on the side of the mountain. If you are concerned about accessibility please CONTACT US before registering so we can work with you on that.

Cellular and WIFI

Summer Camp Program: No cellular service is available on our property, but we are happy to provide access to a landline in specific situations. While Wehinahpay does have areas with WIFI they have limited bandwidth. We are managing our camp operations in the summer with that bandwidth and ask you NOT to expect access to it.

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We understand that many of our volunteers still have work and family responsibilities so contact us before your stay regarding availability during your Summer Program session so you can communicate that to work and family beforehand.

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We do have "Advisors Cafe' which is a time for catching up on emails, communicating with staff or with parents back home, and relaxing a bit from the excitement of program. Here we'll have coffee, cookies and optional activities curated for adult volunteers and adult leaders.

Rental and Off Season Program: No cellular service is available on our property, but we are happy to provide access to a landline in specific situations.With the smaller capacity of our fall to spring reservations, we have a bit more room to give access to bandwidth on our property. With your scouting experience we encourage adult leaders to keep the Wifi passwords to themselves so the youth are able to maintain their wilderness experience. Hunting and Getaway rentals will have a welcome card with specific Wifi information in their personal cabin and rented spaces.

Food and dining

Summer Camp Program: We preform a flag ceremony your first morning before Breakfast and again after dinner. These are both opportunities to meet for announcements and songs. Our dining hall flow is "in one door, out the other" so be sure to pay attention to directions before meals so everyone gets fed in a timely manner.
 

We welcome and encourage each Troop or Crew to lead a flag and/or a pre-meal moment of reverence as per your council, troop, or family traditions. If you would like to have your group participate, you can sign up anytime during the week at The Maddox Office.

A scout is clean! We ask that all members of a troop or crew act as "hoppers" after each meal. Hoppers help clean there section and notify staff when your ready to leave the dining hall so your area is ready for the next group and your next meal.

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Ask EVERYONE from your group if they have any specific dietary preferences, restrictions or allergies as soon as possible. We reach out prior to your arrival so we can accomodate to the best of our ability, so having that information when we call will be incredibly helpful to those whose needs should be met. If parents wish to send specially prepared meals with Scouts for safety reasons, we do have a refrigerator with space available. Please have that individual or individual's guardian contact us directly.

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Rental and Off Season Program: Your accommodations will have some kitchen resources dependent on your program needs or reservation. Discuss what you think you may need with your group before registration, so we are better able to accomodate.

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mail

 We go out to the post office every day around lunch. Expect all mail to take a day longer than your tracking indicates due to the transfer between our local mail facility and our camp.

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Mail will be distributed at meal times and should be labeled with the following information.

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Jimmy Smith, Troop/Crew ____

Wehinahpay Mountain Camp

319 Potato Canyon Road

Sacramento, NM 88347

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Jimmy Smith, Staff Member

Wehinahpay Mountain Camp

319 Potato Canyon Road

Sacramento, NM 88347

things to do on the way to camp

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Carlsbad Caverns National Park

This incredible park features more than 100 caves. Stalactites cling to the roof of these magnificent structures. High ancient sea ledges, deep rocky canyons, flowering cactus, and desert wildlife—treasures above the ground in the Chihuahuan Desert. Hidden beneath the surface are more than 119 caves—formed when sulfuric acid dissolved limestone leaving behind caverns of all sizes.

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New Mexico Museum of Space Exploration

The New Mexico Museum of Space History is a museum and planetarium complex in Alamogordo, New Mexico, dedicated to artifacts and displays related to space flight and the space age. It includes the International Space Hall of Fame.

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White Sands National Monument

Rising from the heart of the Tularosa Basin is one of the world's great natural wonders - the glistening white sands of New Mexico. Great wave-like dunes of gypsum sand have engulfed 275 square miles of desert, creating the world's largest gypsum dunefield. White Sands National Monument preserves a major portion of this unique dunefield, along with the plants and animals that live here.

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White Sands Missile Range Museum

At the White Sands Missile Range museum you can trace the origin of America's missile and space activity, find out how the atomic age began and learn about the accomplishments of scientists like Dr. Wernher von Braun and Dr. Clyde Tombaugh at White Sands. Displays also include the prehistoric cultures and the rip-roaring Old West found in southern New Mexico.

FAQ

Summer camp

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Can Scouts BSA female Troops be combines with Scouts BSA male Troops to camp together?

Absolutely. Although the same procedures will need to be met as is listed under the question CAN WE SHARE A CAMPSITE WITH ANOTHER UNIT. As long as Youth Protection is being followed that it completely fine.

 

Is there anything I need to do if I visit for the day?

You will need to check in at the main office where we will get your name, a medical form (parts A and B for a day visit) and give you a wrist band to wear so our staff know you have checked in.

 

Do I have to pay if I am just visiting for the day?

Yes, you will need to pay even if you are just visiting for the day. This is to cover the cost of food while you are present.

 

What is the adult to youth ratio at camp?

At least two over 21 year old adults are required at a minimum for every unit the comes to camp. That being said for payment every 10 youth equals one adult who can come for free. (ex. 10 youth equals 1 free adult. 11 equals 2 free adults. 21 equals 3 adults).

 

What if I need to leave in the middle of the week?

A check out binder is in the office. So long as the Unit maintains appropriate supervision you can simply sign out in the office after you let them know if you will be back.

 

Do we have to hike are gear all the way to our campsite?

Not necessarily. On Unit arrival day we will have some staff who will be driving trailers to and from the campsites and the parking lot. The staff will coordinate when you can load gear into one of the trailers. Our Staff have the final say about what can be taken up. If you have a single axle trailer we might be able to bring it up to your campsite. When everyone is leaving we will also try to assist you by bringing gear back to the parking lot.

 

What if I need WiFi so I can work?

There is limited WiFi available near the camp office that adult leaders can use. Because it is limited we do ask that if you do not need to use it you don’t. If what you need to do requires a lot of bandwidth it will more than likely be better for you to leave camp and visit Cloudcroft (1 hour drive away) where there is much more WiFi available.

 

What do I need to do as an adult while at camp?

There are two big things we ask adult leaders do while they’re at camp: 1: Be there for and support your Youth 2: Relax. Outside of those things there isn’t much that the Camp will ask of you. We will have adult leader meeting which at least one person in your unit should attend so you are informed about activities that will be going on at camp and what will be going on. We do ask for adult leaders to volunteer to help in the dinning hall with washing dishes after meals (that will be explained in detail when you arrive). Depending on the week we might look for Adult leaders to help teach merit badge classes. If you are passionate and willing to teach a merit badge our staff don’t offer you are encourage to email the Camp Director about offering it while you are here.

 

Where are the designated smoking areas?

There are two places in camp you can smoke. The first is in your car, the second is at a picknick table outside the Camp Directors office. These are the only two places you are allowed to smoke in camp.

 

Can we have fires in our campsite?

That depends on the Forest Service regulations the week you are here. There are times when due to low moisture the fire danger is higher than others. If it is high enough camp fires are not allowed. If we have been getting enough moisture you are more than welcome to have campfires. We will let you know when you arrive. If you want to know before you arrive you can email the Camp or Program Director.

 

What are the campsites like?

Are campsites have canvas wall tents that you will stay in with each having two cots in them. Every site should have a covered picknick table available for use and a flag pole not far away. Units are more than welcome to conduct flag ceremonies in their campsites. Campsites will have a close by pit toilet with a sink and hose that people can use to wash hands and fill up water.

 

Can our Unit leave early?

If your Unit would like to leave early to get a earlier start on a long drive or visit a nearby National Park that is absolutely fine. Plan this with the Camp or Program Director ahead of time. We will try our best to help facilitate moving your equipment back to your cars, but our staff do have other responsibilities and might be unavailable to help. Please plan accordingly.

 

Are bears a problem?

No, BUT they can be. We have not had any issues with bears and are quite proud of that. However that is because over the years people have done a good job keeping food and other things bears might like secured at night and when no one is present. We are not worried about bears but it is better to be safe than sorry. Please do not store food in your campsites, secure the lid on the garbage, and if you have any questions about specific items please ask.

 

What do the showers and bathrooms look like?

The camp has two shower houses near both ends of the campsites that each have 12 bathroom stalls. Each stall has a toilet, shower, sink, and mirror and are to be used by one person at a time. Throughout the campsites are a number of pit toilets that have a sink outside that can be used to wash ones hands after using.

 

What will the weather be like?

That really depends. While every day can vary and we do not guarantee what is beyond our control we will say that often the days are quite warm in the 70s to 80s with the nights dropping down to the 40s. The later part of the summer is often when monsoon season starts and often that manifests as rain showers around noon. The showers can be intense and have a lot of water come down but don’t often last more than 2 hours.

 

Do campsites have electricity?

Some do have access to electricity. These sites will be prioritized for those who need it for medical reasons such as having a CPAP.

 

What is someone in my Unit has medication that must be kept refrigerated?

Our medic has a refrigerator that is specifically set aside for medication. Let our medical staff know during check in and they will be more than happy to keep it cool for you.

 

What if someone has dietary restrictions (food allergy, vegetarian, gluten free, etc)?

When they are registering there is a location that can be filled out for that.

 

Can we reserve a specific campsite?

You can ask about a specific campsites but campsites are assigned to make sure everyone who wants to attend a specific week is able to, as well as if anyone needs electricity they have access to it. We will try to accommodate your request but can make no guarantees.

 

Can we share a campsite with another unit?

You are more than welcome to ask about that. It depends on the size of both your units, as well as the other units going to camp that week. Each Unit must make separate reservations.  Please see the question CAN WE RESERVE A SPECIFIC CAMPSITE for more details.
 

Can we arrive a day early or leave a day late?

While we understand that long trips can make it easier to arrive a day early or leaving a day late. We do ask that because that is when our staff have a day off you make every effort to camp off property. The Lincoln National Forest offers campground very close to camp as well as other nearby National Parks.

 

Can a Scout from a different Unit join us at camp?

Yes, but they will need to make a separate reservation.

 

Can we bring our own guns or archery equipment to use at camp?

No. National standards do not allow personal firearms of any kind at camp (including archery).

 

What access is available for restricted or difficult mobility?

Transportation assistance is available for rides to and from campsites, dinning hall, classes etc. Let us know what specific physical limitations are ahead of time and we can work to accommodate scouts and adults with a range of disabilities.

 

May I bring my ATV or UTV to get around camp?

Yes. Personal UTVs are allowed. ATV’s are not. For UTVs specific paperwork is required. The Camp Director should be contacted for approval.

 

May I bring my own bike to get around camp?

Yes. It should be noted though the Guide to Safe Scouting must be followed at all times, and our trails are not made for bikes and you must remain on roads. Properly fitted helmets must be worn at all times.

 

Can I bring my pet to camp?

No. There are K9 staff and wildlife and for the safety of you and your pet we do not permit pets at camp. Service animals are allowed with prior approval so we can make sure our K9 staff are out of the way and will not be a distraction. You are required to give accommodation and food to your animal. The camp is not responsible to take care of your animal while you are here. We can make accommodations to assist you depending on what is needed.

 

What is the refund policy?

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What if there is a medical emergency?

Our camp has a highly qualified medical staff that can respond to many possible medical emergencies. We have a office for our medical lodge which is stocked with supplies to assist in likely emergencies. If something requires a person to seek advanced care we can send them down to a hospital in Alamagordo or will call for a ambulance to get them. If either are required the emergency contact will be notified.

 

Will I be able to charge my phone or other electronics?

There is a power strip available to adult leaders that can be used to charge electronics by the office. It is on a first come first serve basis and once it is full its full. You can bring any portable solar chargers if you wish. It is best to plan for not having it.

 

Are Mtn Lions around camp?

The camp has not had any issue with mountain lions. While they are native to the Sacramento Mountains they tend to avoid people and if bear procedures are followed should not be a concern.

 

What if there is a severe storm?

If a severe storm hits camp with lightning striking close by and flooding is an issue we will have people wait in designated buildings that are safer until the weather becomes safer. Such buildings include the Lake Lodge, The Maddox, and the Dining Hall. In such circumstances all visitors are required to follow all staff instructions. There is a difference between a storm and severe weather.

 

First Year Camper program

Which requirements will get signed off?

The requirements are listed in the leaders guide and copied here.

In-Camp Available Requirements

 

Tenderfoot - 3a,3b,3c,4a,4b,4c,4d,5a,5b,5c,6a,7a,8

Second Class- 1b,2a,2b,2c,2d,2f,2g3a,3b,3c,3d,4,6a,6b,6c,8a,8b,9a,9b

First Class, 3a,3b,3c,3d,4a,4b,5a,5b,5c,5d,7a,7b,7c,7d, 7e

Communication: 1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 2a, 2b, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9

First Aid: 1, 2a, 2b, 2c, 3, 4, 5a, 5b, 6a, 6b, 6c, 7a, 7b, 8a, 8b, 8c, 8d, 9, 10a, 1b, 11a, 11b, 11c, 11e, 11f, 12a, 12b, 12c, 12d, 12e, 12f, 12g, 12h, 12i, 12j, 12k, 12l, 12m, 12n, 12o, 12p, 13a, 13b, 14

Family Life: 1,2,3,4,6a,7 (requirements 2,3, and 4 can be started but not completed at camp)

 

What if they also want to take merit badge classes?

Fortunately the first year camper program is an all day activity to give the best experience possible, but unfortunately scouts who sign up will not be able to take any merit badge classes.

 

Do they need to bring their book with them?

Yes. With the amount of referencing the book that happens and checking requirements that goes on the Scout does need to bring their book with them.

 

What if this isn’t their first summer camp?

They are still more than welcome to join in the program. Our program is designed to work on rank requirements so the longer they have been a scout that does mean it is more likely they have already completed some. But we will not turn anyone away and they can still get other requirements signed off.

 

Are there any specific pieces of equipment that should be brought for this program?

You can check the requirements in advance but you shouldn’t need anything other than what would normally be brought to camp. If you have any specific questions you can contact the Camp or Program Director.

 

High Adventure

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Can Scouts BSA female Troops be combines with Scouts BSA male Troops to camp together?

Absolutely. As long as everyone who attends is a registered member of the BSA Hay Canyon organizes groups into Crews which are distinct from their home units. As such so long as Youth Protection is being followed within the Hay Canyon Crew that is absolutely fine. Members of the Crew can be from all different units.

 

What is the adult to youth ratio?

2 21 years old or older adults must accompany any Crew. The genders of the youth must also be represented in the adult leadership (youth females require at least 1 adult female, youth makes require at least 1 adult male).

 

How old do I have to be to participate?

In order to participate you need to be either 14 years old, or 13 and finished the 8th grade.

 

What will the weather be like?

That really depends. While every day can vary and we do not guarantee what is beyond our control we will say that often the days are quite warm in the 70s to 80s with the nights dropping down to the 40s. The later part of the summer is often when monsoon season starts and often that manifests as rain showers around noon. The showers can be intense and have a lot of water come down but don’t often last more than 2 hours.

 

Can we bring our own tents?

You should. The Camp is not responsible for any damage that might happen while in use. You will likely be more comfortable with your own tent. If you do not have a tent you can contact the camp and there are a limited number of available tents that they can outfit you

 

How many people can fit in a tent the camp gives out?

Our tents are designed to fit 3 people.

 

Do we need boots?

It is recommended that participants wear sturdy boots for hiking over varied terrain. Treks will not stick to defined roads and trails so any foot gear should be find bushwacking across mountains. If you backpack a lot and prefer a lighter shoe that is fine. If you are not sure we recommend wearing boots for your trip.

 

What food and equipment are provided?

Great food and equipment… It is designed to provide enough nutrients and all the needed food groups while on trek. The calorie count is higher than people probably eat normally but that is the provide energy for the hiking cross country. If you would like a specific menu please email the Camp Director or Chief Guide. Can be found in the leaders guide under the gear list.

 

How far will we hike?

That depends on you as a Crew. There are different routes available the have different distances and elevation changes. You can hike farther or shorter depending on how much you feel loke doing. You can push yourselves or take it easy. It is entirely up to you.

 

What kinda program will we do while we are trekking?

That is a great question. It is currently being developed by the staff and we are looking for Crews to test out possible program ideas we have. Email the Council Program Director if you would like to know more about the first years testing high adventure program. Kim.merry@scouting.org

 

Can this count for any awards?

This is a High Adventure trek that is designed around the experience, not awards. While it can count towards some it is the responsibility of the participant to keep track of that. Our Staff can teach a few extra relevant things relating to the activity if asked about it.

 

Where can I smoke while on trail?

The designated smoking areas while on the trek are the gravel roads. It is asked that if you are smoking while we will be camping nearby you walk out of site of the campsite. Just be sure to let us know you will be walking away for a bit so we don’t think you are lost or do any program without you.

 

What if we have a medical issue on trail?

Adult leaders are the designated medical officers on trail. One adult should be certified in at least Wilderness First Aid. Our Staff are trained and certified in Wilderness First Aid and can assist. Depending on the exact issue the staff might contact base to have our medic come out to the Crew, get picked up, or tie in with Forest Service resources for ambulances or other more technical resources. If a issue comes up greater than basic first aid treatment while on trail the emergency contact listed will be notified.

 

Can we change are itinerary after we depart?

Yes, you can. Talk to the Staff member with you and they can facilitate that change. It will likely still require some hiking places such as Hay Canyon (outpost program), and back to Wehinahpay.

 

What if we don’t want to hike anymore?

That should be figured out before you arrive. Followed by very quickly on the first day. You will need to hike back to Wehinahpay or Hay Canyon one way or another.

 

Aren’t bears an issue?

Not really. The forest does have black bears in it but they have not been problematic. We will be storing our food to keep it away from bears so that we still have it and bears don’t associate humans with food. This will be done by using bear bags every evening while away from Wehinahpay. If a bear is encountered our staff are trained in how to scare them off.

 

There is one older scout who wants to do a High Adventure trek. Can they do that while the Troop does the regular program?

Yes. They will be in a provisional Crew made up of other youth from that week of summer camp. The standard fee is $260 for that program. They will have two staff be assigned as their Adult supervision for the trek.

 

What is the refund policy?

Same as summer. See guide

 

Can we charge electronics while on the trail?

Unfortunately the Lincoln National Forest is not equipped with power outlets or USB ports for charging, nor is the satellite site Hay Canyon treks hike to. If so desired you can bring a portable solar panel for charging, or external batteries. Otherwise you should plan to have no opportunities to charge.

 

Are mountain lions a concern on trail?

While mountain lions are native to the Sacramento mountains and Lincoln National Forest they have not been a concern. Mountain Lions tend to avoid people and if bear procedures are followed should steer clear of any of our crews. If on is encountered our staff are trained in what to do to scare them off.

 

Do we need to bring our uniforms?

Uniforms should be brought to camp and will be worn while at Wehinahpay before and after the trek during flag ceremonies and at meals. It can be left at camp while you are on trail and be put back on after you return.

 

What if someone has dietary restrictions (food allergy, vegetarian, gluten free, etc)?

When they are registering there is a location that can be filled out for that.

 

What if there is a severe storm?

There is a difference between a storm and severe weather. All weather is beyond are control. Situations will be handled on a case by case basis. Depending on the severity it might include going into lightning position, moving to higher ground out of flood plains, and waiting for weather to pass.

 

 

Cub Camp

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What is the adult to youth ratio?

For Tigers every Cub needs to be accompanied by an adult. For Wolf’s through Weblos the ratio is 1 adult for every 4 Cubs. Every youth does need to have a designated adult who is in charge of their supervision. If you are having trouble making these requirements please contact the Camp Director.

 

What will we do during the day?

Multiple program areas are set up that you and your group (we make) make your way around to the different areas doing various activities at each. As you make your way around you complete challenges and earn prizes. A staff member will accompany every group.

 

What is my role as a parent?

Your role is to relax and have fun with your Cub. We encourage parents to participate in games and offer help when asked but you can leave all the heavy lifting to the staff. You run program all year and while you are here it is the least we can do to give you a break.

 

How will activities and groups be structured?

When you arrive you will be put into a group with other participants who are at the same Cub Scout level (a group of bears, a group of Tigers, a group of Weblos, etc). Each group will be accompanied by a staff member who will help make sure they get to each program area and have everything they need. The groups will hike around to the different program areas of camp and do activities in each.

 

Do we need Pack or Den leadership?

No, while encouraged to attend they are not necessary. Individual parents can sign up with their Cubs which happens frequently and it does not change the experience you will have.

 

Does my child have to be in scouting to attend?

No. If your child is in Kindergarten through the 5th grade you can join us for a fun weekend at Wehinahpay Mountain Camp.

 

What requirements will we be able to sign off?

We don’t focus on requirements but rather focus on having a fun time at camp. We don’t want to repeat or replace regular Pack program. Our activities are designed to reenforce scout skills and group groups as teams.

 

Where are the designated smoking areas?

There are two places in camp you can smoke. The first is in your car, the second is at a picknick table outside the Camp Directors office. These are the only two places you are allowed to smoke in camp.

 

What are the campsites like?

Are campsites have canvas wall tents that you will stay in with each having two cots in them. Every site should have a covered picknick table available for use and a flag pole not far away. Units are more than welcome to conduct flag ceremonies in their campsites. Campsites will have a close by pit toilet with a sink and hose that people can use to wash hands and fill up water.

 

What do the showers and bathrooms look like?

The camp has two shower houses near both ends of the campsites that each have 12 bathroom stalls. Each stall has a toilet, shower, sink, and mirror and are to be used by one person at a time. Throughout the campsites are a number of pit toilets that have a sink outside that can be used to wash ones hands after using.

 

Do campsites have electricity?

Some do have access to electricity. These sites will be prioritized for those who need it for medical reasons such as having a CPAP.

 

What is someone in my Unit has medication that must be kept refrigerated?

Our medic has a refrigerator that is specifically set aside for medication. Let our medical staff know during check in and they will be more than happy to keep it cool for you.

 

Can we reserve a specific campsite?

You can ask about a specific campsites but campsites are assigned to make sure everyone who wants to attend a specific week is able to, as well as if anyone needs electricity they have access to it. We will try to accommodate your request but can make no guarantees.

 

Can a Scout from a different Unit join us at camp?

Yes, but they will need to make a separate reservation.

 

Can I bring my pet to camp?

No. There are K9 staff and wildlife and for the safety of you and your pet we do not permit pets at camp. Service animals are allowed with prior approval so we can make sure our K9 staff are out of the way and will not be a distraction. You are required to give accommodation and food to your animal. The camp is not responsible to take care of your animal while you are here. We can make accommodations to assist you depending on what is needed.

 

What is the refund policy?

LEADERS GUIDE

 

What if there is a medical emergency?

Our camp has a highly qualified medical staff that can respond to many possible medical emergencies. We have a office for our medical lodge which is stocked with supplies to assist in likely emergencies. If something requires a person to seek advanced care we can send them down to a hospital in Alamagordo or will call for a ambulance to get them. If either are required the emergency contact will be notified.

 

Will I be able to charge my phone or other electronics?

There is a power strip available to adult leaders that can be used to charge electronics by the office. It is on a first come first serve basis and once it is full its full. You can bring any portable solar chargers if you wish. It is best to plan for not having it.

 

Are Mtn Lions around camp?

The camp has not had any issue with mountain lions. While they are native to the Sacramento Mountains they tend to avoid people and if bear procedures are followed should not be a concern.

 

Are bears a problem?

No, BUT they can be. We have not had any issues with bears and are quite proud of that. However that is because over the years people have done a good job keeping food and other things bears might like secured at night and when no one is present. We are not worried about bears but it is better to be safe than sorry. Please do not store food in your campsites, secure the lid on the garbage, and if you have any questions about specific items please ask.

 

Do we need to bring our uniform?

If you have a uniform you should bring it. It will be worn during flag ceremonies and at meals. If you don’t have a uniform don’t worry, that is absolutely ok. You are more than welcome at camp.

 

What if someone has dietary restrictions (food allergy, vegetarian, gluten free, etc)?

When they are registering there is a location that can be filled out for that.

 

What if there is a severe storm?

If a severe storm hits camp with lightning striking close by and flooding is an issue we will have people wait in designated buildings that are safer until the weather becomes safer. Such buildings include the Lake Lodge, The Maddox, and the Dining Hall. In such circumstances all visitors are required to follow all staff instructions. There is a difference between a storm and severe weather.

 

 

Staff

Are we paid?

Yes. While there are some volunteer positions or positions people pay to have such as Councilor In Training (CIT) or Volunteer Commissioner, all other staff positions are paid.

 

How much are we paid?

Pay depends on the position being held and experience going into the season. If you would like to know exact you should contact the Camp or Program Director.

 

What is housing like?

By in large staff housing is in two areas. There is where most staff live which is near the dinning hall called “staff hill” that houses most staff. Everyone who is not in leadership is housed there. Multiple buildings are around a open central area with picknick tables and a fire ring. They share a building that has multiple bathroom stalls. Each stall has a toilet, shower, sink, and mirror. That building also has a laundry room with a washer and dryer. The cabins they stay in have several rooms with bunk beds and dressers. There is plenty of room in each room for people to have there things as well as relax and hang out. The leadership staff stay in cabins down by the Director officer. The cabins feature bunk beds, dressers, a bathroom inside with a toilet, sink, shower, and mirror, and a small kitchen area with a oven and stove, microwave, sink, and refrigerator. They have a washer and dryer nearby as well. 

 

Can we work on merit badges and awards?

Absolutely. While There will be specific ones that they are teaching they are more than welcome to work on others while they are here in their free time.

 

Do we get a discount at the Trading Post?

Yes staff can but items at cost with no mark up for the camp to make a profit from. In addition everyone on staff gets one snack item from the trading post for free each week.

 

What do days off look like?

Staff start work with lunch on Sunday (Unit arrival day) and work until Friday night. If staff would like to earn extra money they can work Saturday morning helping with Unit departure. From Friday night to Sunday lunch staff are able to do as they please. If days off differ they will be specified on the schedule and you will be told specifics.

 

Does a daily schedule have down time to relax?

Yes the daily schedule does have time you can relax. Every day at lunch is a break. Depending on the day the afternoons and evenings can also be off as well. The specific afternoons and evenings depend on each persons schedule.

 

Are we still fed on days off?

No staff are not fed on days off but they do have access to a kitchen to cook food and can leave property to eat out or buy groceries.

 

What do people do on days off?

That depends on the people. Some visit the nearby towns, others the National Parks. There is plenty of hiking, people watch movies, play games, read, or any number of other activities.

 

Is the uniform provided or do I need to pay for it?

The Wehinahpay uniform is provided when you arrive at camp.

 

Do I need to be a scout?

No you do not need to be a scout to work at camp. That said you will need to fill out a membership application when you arrive if you are not a member.

 

Do I need a scout uniform?

No, you do not. If you have one you are more than welcome to bring it and can wear it while at camp. Otherwise the uniform we provide will work just fine.

 

Where are the designated smoking areas?

As with the adult leaders there are only two designated smoking areas in camp. Your personal vehicle and a picknick table by the Camp Director office. Smoking anywhere else is not allowed.

 

Can I get time off to spend with my Unit on a trip?

That can absolutely be arranged. Just let us know in advance so we can look at the schedule and make sure we can still run program. You will not be paid for the days you spend away from camp on trips.

 

Can I get time off for personal or family reasons?

Yes, much like with getting time off for a Unit trip we just ask you let us know as much in advance as possible.

 

Can I bring my personal firearm?

Yes, you can. You will check it in when you arrive with the Camp Director and Ranger and fill out some paperwork. There is a safe you can store it in if you would like, otherwise how your firearm(s) are stored does need to be approved by the Camp Director and Ranger.

 

What about alcohol and recreational drugs?

Consumption of alcohol or recreational drugs during program week on or off property are grounds for immediate termination of employment.

 

What are the rules about tattoos, piercings, and hair?

For all of the above it is required it be kept clean and orderly, and be either scout appropriate or covered up. Your hair can be a variety of colors and styles as long as it is kept clean and orderly. Piercings and tattoos are fine so long as they are scout appropriate or covered.  If you have any specific questions you should contact the Camp or Program Director.

 

What if I don’t get along with my roommates?

One of the first things you will do with your roommates is fill out what is called a “Roommate agreement” which outlines rules and guidelines you all make for each other and some set by base. If you are having issues getting along all behavior should be in line with that agreement. If not you can go to management and they will discipline accordingly with violating the agreement you made together.

 

What if people come into my room I don’t want there?

One of the parts of the Roommate Agreement that is already included is that everyone must be ok with any visitors every time. If one person in a room does not want someone to be inside that person can not be inside. If they want them to leave, they have to leave. If they were fine with someone before but another time don’t want them, that person can’t be in there.

 

Can people enter a cabin of a different gender?

If everyone inside the cabin is ok with their presence they can. They are not allowed to spend the night but can hang out. All visitors are treated as equal in terms of if they can be there or not.

 

Can I change cabins or stay in a different one?

You are not allowed to sleep in a different cabin than you are assigned to. If you would like to change cabins and someone is willing to change with you every roommate of both cabins has to agree to that, management must be informed and has the full right to veto, if approved both roommates will need to rewrite their Roommate Agreements as there are different people.

 

With service being limited how can I call home/ receive calls from my family?

There is WiFi available to make calls, texts, and email on which can be used. The office also includes a phone the staff are able to use to make phone calls. That phone is prioritized for camp business but you should be able to use it if desired.

 

What if I forget to bring something?

Depending on what it is that was forgotten there are several options. Items can be mailed to camp although it might take an extra day because we are rather remote. The store in Weed does have some basic items. Further towns such as Cloudcroft and Alamagordo have more options if something is needing to be bought. If someone is willing to drop it off they are more than welcome to drive into camp and can drop it off in the office and we will make sure it gets to you.

 

Should I bring non scouting cloths?

It can be nice on days off to put on non scouting cloths to relax in, possibly visit town, and wear while you wash your camp uniform. While the exact choice of fashion is up to you, you should plan on what to wear on days off.

 

Can I charge my electronics while at camp?

Every cabin should have power outlets available for charging. It can be beneficial to bring a power strip to have more outlets available for use.

 

What if I have dietary restrictions such as vegetarian, food allergies, gluten free, etc?

When you are filling out hiring paperwork there is a section to talk about any dietary restrictions and we are happy to accommodate. If you have any questions or concerns you can contact the Camp or Program Director.

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